I can well imagine that their director really might not have had useful or thoughtful feedback for them in the appraisal, which is a shame and shouldnt happen. If you opt for gift cards or similar for them, make sure they actually have access to the stores! Or is even that an overstep of boundaries? Im not really sure how one would solve that without closely examining the comments each team member made, but even then you run into the problem of either not considering a well-founded opinion or of not realizing a coworker youve respected has been giving feedback based on an internalized bias. Maybe the reason it feels like you are questioning their ability is because you kinda are. I get that my opinion last time was unpopular and not widely held by others. In my state, marriage records, divorce records, and property ownership (including purchase price!) Maybe a 15-year-old article about placing in a high school track meet. If you wouldnt tell them that you looked it up, then you probably shouldnt be looking it up. To my knowledge weve never actually disciplined somebody over this, but HR wont budge on the policy. I had a housemate who was a complete freak. No Phil, they dont all know that. a colleague shares the name of the medication, a colleague decides to send an invitation. We make safe shipping arrangements for your convenience from Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Keep looking, though. To me, thats part of what LinkedIn is for. I will always Google and check out your website, your CV if thats online, an article you wrote (why wouldnt you want people to read an article you wrote!? Obviously, Im not giving them the turkey sandwich I ate, but should the notepads and pens stay at my desk for use at work, or is it okay if that pen makes it way into my purse at the end of the presentation? I agree. Truly, she picked the best possible of all of my relationships thus far to Google Image Search. After all, plenty of very experienced managers are bad managers. I look at their social media, I look up their name to see what comes up on their professional background, I read their twitter feeds, I look at their Instagram and YouTube. Too bad I didnt do that in 2000, because it wouldve saved me an awkward situation when the person I was dating turned out to be a sex offender. I cant imagine that someone wouldnt like *any* of them. colleagues should never snoop or look up information cvs. Third, not all the information was put out there by the individual. Ive Googled people. I like the idea of sending a gift card now and then. I draw pretty strict lines about not doing that for people in general, and friends / coworkers / suppliers / clients in specific. Some people think that everyone snoops and its no big deal, other people are just horrified at the very idea. Say in the 1980s if I had a coworker and I was curious where they lived, I could go to the phone book, look up their name and find their address and you could know the neighborhood they live in. There is such a thing as common sense and courtesy. With that said, I dont think googling someone is a big deal, honestly. What youre saying is the equivalent of saying theyre in the phone book, of course I looked up where they live 20 years ago, or if you didnt want me to look through your phone, you should put a stronger passcode on it or of course I went through my wallet, its your fault for leaving it on your desk. Browsers didnt even exist back then, so there was no vision of what the internet would look like 25 years in the future. Start there. If you Google the names of my published papers, you will. Agreed. They should expect it. Ive had plenty of clients have to return them and be marked no gifts on our end. Its a standard part of my interview prep. Instead, I went to HR and said I would love to earn a You are Fantastic and here is why Evaluation from my manager, but have received a Thanks so much, all is good Evaluation 2 years running. Youre taking a really hard-line approach here, but as the responses to this post show, the reality is that most people are going to be pretty uncomfortable if theyre aware youre stepping outside the norms on this. Some I like better than others. Yes, its reality, but we shouldnt accept it. Some of its fairly innocuous (hey, did you hear so and so plays ball and has kids? Things can appear one way without context, and another way with context. Im not saying Ive never googled anyone before, and I dont think its an invasion of privacy if you do. I can understand doing this for a potential date, but not a new coworker. Even if its not every time doing something to show they are valued would be a really nice gesture. If you see two people at the grocery store who are clearly having an intense whispered conversation, yeah. And its a good thing I didabout a month into the internship, she wrote a lengthy unflattering post about a client of ours, using their full name and the name of their project. Its almost certainly not work relevant that someone has bizzare and bizzarely strong (and in your opinion, highly mistaken) opinions on fan-fic / furries / vaccines / moon landing conspiracy theories / romance novels / anything else. I just got through through the conversation and moved on because I knew this was her way of trumpeting I found you on twitter! Then one day she explosively yelled at me because and follow this one through I was in a twitter thread with several people and made a comment relative to the thread. What Id value most would be permission to work from home for a day, but thats not really in the same category as office pizza, so I dont blame him for not offering it. Mike Monteiro has told a story of people being added to a Facebook group without consent, implying or reveal the status of their sexuality. One personal example are the cringeworthy articles I wrote for my college newspaper. I barely post anything online this isnt about me personally. Yeah, thats real. Did she really think only people in her survivors group would find it and read it? Nobody is saying, Dont Google other people ever. Your comments on the OP and on this post indicate that you believe a mere Google search is one and the same as paying for a background check. On the team I am prior experience comes up all the time because we all came from different companies prior. Too damn bad. I dont have an answer though because this has just been happening over the last few months. Why would I want to get to know someone if their social media has a bunch of homophobic stuff, for example? by | Jun 2, 2022 | george kittle brother ohio state | Jun 2, 2022 | george kittle brother ohio state The kinds of vendors that are coming in are people trying to convince us to switch to using their gizmos on our machines (motors, gears, buttons, switches, etc.) Well Id be fine with someone doing this to me, so its okay for me to do it! I have made plenty of posts where someone could easily guess where I work, though, and should probably knock that off ASAP if I want to maintain a level of anonymity. They cannot help their own (in the US) agism. There is a reason, for instance, why the signature allowing a background check is only considered valid if the request is made in plain English and clearly separated from everything else. The CVs provide more detail about where theyve come from, how long theyve been working, who their networks are with. This is a really good way to re-frame not being allowed to take swag. Personally I think anything on LinkedIn or other professional sites is fair game. But opinions can change, tastes can change, and theres tons of mundane stuff that could be dug up thats completely irrelevant to anybody (anybody want to hear 16-year old mes take on then-current pop music like Michelle Branch or Backstreet Boys? Agreed. I would feel comfortable saying ^ in front of them and our boss, so it makes sense. Youre guessing what a single person would like, rather than what most people in a group of 20 would appreciate. I assume they're doing the same to me. He didnt know what we did and didnt care. Asking someone directly also makes it A Thing and sometimes its better for everyone of curiosity is satisfied in a low key way. First page of results was a woman from my hometown with those same three names that had recently done prison time for money laundering, fraud, identity theft, etc. I rarely take swag. Uh.no. Plenty of people are interested in exploring the question on where the lines are on this stuff without being motivated by a desire to do it themselves, simply because its an interesting question. Since it was a gift, any money you get from it is pure profit! I think the fact that John and Jane Smith got divorced is public, but not the specific terms of the divorce decree and how they split up the assets. Another problem is when your manager has no clue what real success looks like in the role. Id have no problem telling a co-worker what I saw on their linkedin page. But check it out. Along with job title? (Although technically legal in themselves. #1, Companies do background checks all the time which can reveal far more than anything posted on Facebook, etc. My office even sends out a link to the persons profile as part of their hiring announcement. Not everything you read will be accurate. For #5 I have a remote worker on my team whos in another state. I really like my job overall and I work in a very specialized profession so I dont have many options and dont want to leave. Think a former teapot painter managing the llama care department, and then not understanding that theres animal welfare guidelines for the care and keeping of llamas. I had an experience related to the manager not knowing what I do One department hired me, but didnt have the budget for me so they technically put me in a different department and technically had to have me report to that departments head even though I was really working for a different department. Its potentially dangerous if it draws the attention of a stalker. An update automatically sending connections for me to everyone everywhere with the slightest, most tenuous connection how many times removed, is a whole different thing and its not just creepy. By Posted halston hills housing co operative In anson county concealed carry permit renewal It is possible dig for publicly available information and be creepy, from reputation management standpoint. Gifts arent supposed to cost you money even for a moment in my opinion. Even if you were genuinely curious about those things. And Im saying thats not necessarily true. Social media is not privacy. It was obviously her, because the articles included pictures. If you do a quick search of someones name and check out their LinkedIn profile, theres nothing wrong with reading it. It sucks. why does the king of diamonds have an axe;. One employee wondered if this was something we had to disclose since they won it on a work trip, but another said it was after hours so its our own time. Ideally, there would be a stronger candidate and that would be the reason you didnt move forward with them. In a large city, there may be more than one Fergus Ferguson. Everything from changes in privacy settings, data leaks, people posting things about one, etc. You have the right to disagree with it or even find it creepy. And at that time it would be hard to let unconscious bias against, say, someone with an unseen disability or pregnancy status, derail the hiring at that point. The information is public. Its out there for public consumption. (on the other parents). Suggestion: dont do anything youd categorize as snooping. Whats your motivation? You probably wouldnt be bothered at all by a coworker reading your LinkedIn page, but Im betting youd be creeped out by them going through old facebook pictures from five years ago! @Collette I the phone and wallet examples I dont think are really the same or applicable because that is going through someones personal property. Also, the sorts of creepiness that you can do by stalking someone online are (broadly speaking) indirect and deferred; the sorts of creepiness you can do by being at someones house is direct, immediate and thus intrinsically always weirder. And as you said, within the hierarchy it might not be appropriate to ask but the knowlege might be good. (Im thinking arts, academia, etc). Just a comment inspired by #4: speaking as someone on a decluttering mission right now, beware of swag unless you really really know youll use it. I have been managing this team for three years with zero help, as a brand new person to this company. For example, during my Freshers week at university I gave my name and e-mail address (i.e. But clearly in this case, it wasnt working. Anything beyond that is snooping. If you find your company accountant had previously been tried for fraud at his last two companies, then oh yeah, thats worthwhile information. The second result was a blog post including his full name and picture with multiple allegations of sexual assault. I liked Alisons advice. The best policy is to keep your mouth shut. A lot of the time, people send their employees to training as a substitute for effectively managing performance. Nothing to do with social media. With #1, I can kinda understand the interviewer doing a quick google to see if theres anything unscrupulous popping up, but at OldJob, I had one (very young and socially energetic) coworker gleefully digging in deep about potential candidates and trying to gossip about it with our manager who was hiring. I agree, LinkedIn is totally fair game. If you were previously unaware of this, thats on you. And another example where if they were going to do the creepy thing they should at least have kept it to themselves, mentioning it to you makes it so much creepier. I dont need to know a lot of details other than can they do their job?. Not usually. Besides, in my department, we usually want people who show at least a little bit of competence in social media use its part of our responsibility here and you can learn a lot about someones general social media literacy by checking their Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn. For reference, I work for a large equipment manufacturer. Thats a sign youre probably being a plain ole snoop. To put it bluntly, she lucked out when she got her job, and the opposite happened to me. Id rather my current co-workers not read my sex advice column and all the partying tips I wrote as a contributor to the Culture section of a very liberal paper. With his dog. Please no. I know its petty, and like I said, I wouldnt say anything, but when I was dealing with traffic during my commute or spending my evening doing laundry I could have done during the day, Id feel like I got the short end of the stick. (Select all that apply) A colleague shares the name of the medication another colleague is taking. Not continuously (like, I'm not going to be looking you up on LinkedIn when we've worked together for a while), but at the start, absolutely. colleagues should never snoop or look up information cvs . HIPAA is an acronym for Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act. People could even try to push for companies like FB/Google to create their own policies. It always was. If youre googling relevant professional data for business purposes its fine, but if youre googling personal info (i.e., combing through court records and paid search sites) for non work related reasons youre crossing a boundary and invading their privacy. They took the time to map a route to the address and drove there. #1: A related situation. Some places that care about your previous salary will ask for verification, which might have been what the manager was thinking. I love this idea! Actually what they can do is (1) collect all the swag they can, (2) fill out all the disclosure paperwork needed per item, (3) make an appointment with an upper-level HR person, and (4) bring all the swag and all the disclosure forms to help make the point. If they gave you a reason to think that, I could maybe see it. Of course people vent in letters to AAM and many of them will behave professionally at all times at work (or as much as is humanly possible), but those were fairly harsh and judgemental sentiments even for a vent, and genuine concerns, such as your manager not meeting with you even when you try to schedule meetings (! Theres a line there. While you can certainly find people who feel even a basic google search is an invasion of privacy, the internet is right at our fingertips and I dont think its a massive overstep to do a quick search because youre curious about someones professional background. Agreed. Thats light years away from googling someone and accidentally seeing public information. : :D. When I worked as a virtual assistant back in 2013, for Administrative Professionals Day we were all told to go out and buy ourselves lunch, submit the receipt (scan+email), and the company would e-transfer us $10. There are plenty of perfectly legal behaviors that are nonetheless creepy. Think of the Chipotle manager that was accused of racism. What is an acceptable amount of internet research/snooping around on new coworkers? It would have never occurred to me to google any of them and these letters are eye-opening. What can I do to make myself less upset about this, and what can I say to my boss in the near future in a way that doesnt throw her under the bus? These days, I imagine its pretty easy to just fire everyone off some kind of food-related gift cert. Unfortunately, there are some shady companies who think its ok to lowball you because youre out of work. First off, many people put things up in the old days before mega search engines. that would let people spend the money on food they can actually get in the area they life in. Heck yes it is. Its certainly a lot easier to pull up public records these days, but most peoples old internet posts are probably not going to show up on a ten minute casual googling. *eye roll*. I was horrified to find that my current address, age, and prior residences were visible on the first page of the google search. Never have, never will. The world is changing. Maybe John shouldnt be googling me, his coworker, but will he? You dont have to drive past anyones house any more, you can just look it up on Google Street View and Zillow/Trulia/Redfin. 9. The upper level managers make sense because you may not come in contact with them daily. Yeah, I don't Google but I look up bosses, colleagues, and prospective employers on LinkedIn regularly. I have a coworker who makes a point of saying how she has googled all of us in our unit to find out our ages, and makes comments on things she has found on peoples social media, so she must be googling us regularly. My new profession is teaching. . 27-year-old me believed that people were entitled to have their pasts forgotten, but Today Me wouldnt even blink. So, I googled a coworker with a more senior title than me. To me, its kind of like watching your neighbours through their window when you live downtown. The fact that its pens and notepads is the point. Having zero commute, the ability to meet the cable guy at 2pm, pick my kid up at 5:05 and tidy the house over lunch is all the treats I need. I am on the page that I can look at what you have open to the public on Linked In, Facebook, Twitter, Snap-chat or anything that others that I work with use to connect to each other. I have no idea what their value would be considered maybe 50 cents? I guess it depends on how deep and far you search. To me its not so much about what they see, its about their choosing to look more than incidentally even if all I was doing was just sitting in a chair reading a book. I dont get number 1. No, in many cases social media is normal parts of someones work personal as well. In the early 2000s I searched a woman online because I was legitimately concerned she might try to keep me from getting other contract jobs. Thats the same reason there are so many political signs up at election time. If someone finds something youve posted on the internet, you dont get to choose how they react to it but its as odd to me to google a current or future coworker as it would be to drive by their house to see how well they take care of their lawn. If youre trying to get to know me by finding out about other parts of my life, thats wrong, because thats information you should find out when I share it. And IIRC, Google will only suppress the original messages, not the replies. If I happened to see them the day after said event I would ask them how it went, but if I didnt I might google the result. Thats how people can go from checking out a few social media accounts to paid for a background search. I think you are kind of using that as an excuse honestly. #1 reminded me of a tricky situation I was in a couple years ago. Anyone that I feel like looking up. Colleague: "an associate or coworker typically in a profession or in a civil or ecclesiastical office and often of similar rank or state : a fellow worker or professional". And while they may not be 100% truthful, observing their behavior and witnessing what theyre capable of on the job is going to provide a lot more information than looking them up on LinkedIn. Information in the public domain is public. If a coworker googles me to get my work history, thats fine. You didnt understand that when you were 14 and posting your entire life under your real name on Livejournal or MySpace? I have only googled some of my coworkers, it was always once I found out that they were hired and going to be coming in. So even though my gut instinct to the title is boy is that weird its what I do if the thing Im curious about is in the arts. LW3: Your frustration comes through in your letter, and I wonder if that also comes through to your leaders which could lead to a perception that you arent capable, or that you arent the type of leader they want in the organization. Its one thing for law enforcement to take that deep dive because its their job its another kettle of fish entirely for a random coworker to take that deep dive because theyre nosy. Thats not necessarily true. Keladry of Midelan OMG you have lived my world. When I worked remotely, I thought that benefit FAR outweighed things like pizza Fridays or cupcakes in the break room. So I was effectively searching colleagues all the time because I dont carry everyones extensions/office locations in my head and keeping a local version was very much frowned upon by senior management. I dont think that I myself have ever done anything more than check someones LinkedIn page, but a quick little superficial Google search doesnt sound out of line to me. An example of accessing information of another colleague when there is no business purpose is: sharing the name of the medication another colleague is taking.. What is HIPAA? Honestly Im kind of jealous, Id way rather Starbucks than pizza I cant eat, lol. Honestly, I cant really imagine searching them, unless they told me they had a DeviantArt page or something. Some jobs are better about including remote folks than others. There are now state-wide and local bans about asking for previous salary because it perpetuates pay disparities. Fortunately hiring manager followed up to make sure it was accurate turns out HR misspelled candidates name [insert eyeroll emoji here]. (They do not tempt me to try it. Hell, you can look up what someone paid for their house, marriage history, criminal record, all of that. My Facebook doesnt even show up in Google searches. Id argue that doing an intensive search for information on a coworker is also creepy. Because nothing else really will matter professionally. Sure, someone could look in and see what youre doing. Its a way to learn more about someone when you may be too nervous to approach them or you just dont have a close enough relationship with them to ask for their life story. Ah, the fun times I had on rec.arts.sf.written (not to mention alt.wesleycrusher.die.die.die). The patients were notified. It feels a little trite to send Starbucks gift cards or whatever, but I dont want to leave them out if Im announcing in chat that theres pizza and snacks in the central conference room. Not to make assumptions but the tone of a few of the things in LW3 raised an eyebrow and if thats how they are presenting themselves around the office I could see why things arent going well. When the main office has pizza, the manager has tried (1) having pizza delivered to us here, (2) offering us a budget to plan a lunch of our own, (3) sending us gift cards, (4) giving one of us money to bring in donuts for the rest, (5) sending us to see a movie on work time (there was a vague connection between the movie and our company, but it was a real movie and not a training film). (Presumably eventually the pattern would be noticeable, but for that to happen it would need to first have an impact. Getting a gift card to spend money with just your family and/or friends instead of with coworkers :), I think it actually is slightly more complicated when the people are remote. I still usually use screennames that cant be easily traced back to me, and people were way more intense about it back in the aughts when we all thought posting your real name on the internet meant a crazed murderer would instantly show up outside your house. When LiveJournal was popular in the late 90s, people posted stuff under their real names that theyd be mortified if their parents or non-computer-savvy friends saw. Maybe when the Web became a commonly used tool, people began using it without understanding that, but just a reminder, putting something online is not like having the curtains open in your house and complaining that someone looked in the window, its like placing an ad in the newspaper and complaining that someone saw it. She has no idea what we do and ignored us for the first three years, despite my repeated attempts to schedule meetings with her. I said it last time if people really want privacy about something dont post it online. Totally normal. Theres still the issue of, you cant un-see things.. Its okay for me to discover that SoAndSo on AAM is the same SoAndSo on Twitter, and if the profile for SoAndSo on Twitter also mentions that youre John Smith from Phoenix, Arizona and youre a game designer who used to work at EA, with a link to your LinkedIn profile and your online portfolio, and your online portfolio has a link to your resume that also includes your phone number and home addressthats on you.
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