Stainless steel Magazines with stainless steel follower. I got a Bodyguard a couple years ago. And for that, it is king and an absolute item to bring if possible. In your evaluation of the Ruger LCP II you stated it has a long and heavy trigger pull. It has been successfully tested in World War II. .just kidding 32,490 views Aug 21, 2021 1.1K Dislike Share nutnfancy 852K subscribers Another ranting review.oh man we do not like this gun! It may be slightly larger than the pocket models, but I prefer my 7+1 Bersa Thunder 380 for concealment, great hand fit, trigger, & DA/SA with decocker. In turn, out of guns of equal weight the .380 produces nearly half the recoil energy. Add to that that .22 ammo has come a long, long way too??? I am a Pocket gun enthusiast that has been shooting these guns almost weekly for 10yrs. Because they are so small, they dont weigh a lot. Do they consider the .38 Sp "puny"? Be safe. Why? All of these features together, the improved trigger, the enhanced serrations, the stippling on the grip, and the slightly wider grip size all combine to make the LCP II a better handgun to shoot than the original LCP. really like. I ran into a good deal on .45 ACP JHP ammo, but it would not feed in either of my 1911's. It's not space age polymer, but rather a look a like of the ppk (James bond gun) for a much better price than the ppk, and functions just as well or better. Still I agree with you! Good luck! The serrations on the LCP are also wider in order to get a better grip in slippery conditions when racking the slide. Made in America!! The 938 goes in a hip holster, condition one, with a 7 round spare mag. It's easy to appreciate how this applies to the way handguns are designed. I purchased a Ruger LCP last month, ftf/fte, 35 out of 50 rds, 95 gr. I think it is the best pocket ccw out there load it with the all copper Underwood self defense ammo and the lethality of the round will compare with a traditional lead 9 mm, which is the best of all possible worlds for cc. Best Premium Choice - Walther PPK/S .380 ACP. Of the 7 Sig 238s we own, we have had zero FTF or FTE with factory loads, having fired over 3,000 rounds combined. Recently, I also purchased the Bersa Thunder plus 380 (15+1 capacity) and it too hasnt failed to feed, eject or fire with Ball or JHP ammo! Practice, practice practice. LCP2 was pretty nice, especially with an LGS price of $280. Very fine gun overall. The reason is simple - it's extremely small and versatile. But if you are carrying it. BEWARE. Sig Sauer P238 Nitron 12. While size does have a direct correlation to the amount of felt recoil, its not all that should be considered. I have a slim 9mm Taurus has never failed in any way my main carry. While it's not pocket size, some features I like are the safeties it has, (so when not in use it can be locked without having to put a trigger lock on it and cannot fire without the mag), it has a fixed barrel, it is a 15+1, and while the initial trigger pull is long all others are short and the recoil is nice for control. Then again, those guns which are deeply concealed tend to be harder to access in a stressful situation. And can add night sights easily. They gave me an Smith and Wesson 380 EZ instead, functioned flawlessly and I shot it well. Big mistake! It takes a lot more than just having a gun in order to survive an armed surprise ambush. Conceal carry at my size seems almost impossible. That is why I also picked up the Baby Rock (a baby 45); solid steel frame made the same exact way Rock Island makes their 45's. I have a Glock 20, which is a fine gun, but I found the Glock G42 unimpressive (felt like a clunky brick despite the smaller form factor.) Page. The S&W M&P line of pistols has a huge following from concealed carriers to law enforcement professionals for good reason. And Howard H - I couldnt agree more. My mother comes to mind. Give it a rating below. Police are NOT everywhere and most times arrive after an incident is already over. Glad I found this site. The barrel length is just 2.75 inches and its capacity is also six in the magazine, one in the chamber. I have a micro 9 and an ultra carry ii .45 and both are very reliable and groups are good. The Glock 42 is a pocket pistol-sized firearm intended for concealed carry. It's the best of both worlds, no compromise, no having to choose one or the other. I have tried the pocket holster that came with it. Theyre made about 15 miles from where I sit right now. Did you even consider the Springfield? I have had no problems with it and it is the lightest of them all. Brand : Winchester Weve built dozens of ARs and well cover all the best AR-15 upgrades such as handguards, triggers, BCGs, gas blocks, and more. 2) Glock 42 My favorite are .45s by Kimber, Taurus, Remington, Metro Arms --- 9mm by CZ, CANIK, SARZILMAS (SAR), Remington, Taurus Millennium G-2 --- .380 by BERSA (Thunder .380 and .380 PLUS), Browning, Beretta and the well built GIRSAN MC-14 SIG P238 Why Use a .380 Pistol? I also disagree with Danny-I think the II looks much better than the original. Stopping power can often be the difference between giving the police a witness account and being a murder victim. This 380 caliber test gun was slightly used, had modest bluing wear on the sides of the slide near the muzzle, and a few other signs of light wear. To start, it seemed heavy so carrying it in my pocket felt pretty funky. Every cartridge has different things holding it back when compared to others. Looking for what is possibly the easiest gun to rackever? I have 2 pistols in .380acp. I "HAD" 2 kel-tec 380's (both garbage). Don't need that. I carry a Springfield Armory V-10. Less than an inch wide, polymer frame, striker fired. I have a Keltec .380. The Precision One XTP round did excellent. I LOVE mine and I'm very proficient with it.. I don't like what I've read about the LCP II. No matter what you choose, the gun on your hip is better than the one youve left at home or in the car even if it does only hold seven rounds like most .380 pistols. The article is about pocket .380s. Great all metal pistol, a bit Lg. And stay in touch with newsletters of our best articles on techniques, guns, & gear. Got a good deal on mine. Getting hit in center body mass with 95 - 100 gr hollow point will take the fight out of 95% of the human population. The LCP-II and LCP Max are very lightweight and have decent triggers. Model D, based on a Star design that goes back to the 1920's. Turns out I should probably should have gone with the S&W. The safety feature is no problem if you practice. Love your sight though and read it all the time. But for now, youll have to settle for a high grip. Another good one not mentioned in your list: Remington's RM380, which like the Sig is all metal. And in a .380, what's working for me might not work in someone else's pistol. I looked carefully and tried both, as well as the S&W Bodyguard .380.. Both tend to come out of my pocket stuck to the weapon. And the two metals combine to make this small handgun tip the scales at 15.2 ounces, with a barrel length of 2.7 inches long. Lets find out by comparing it to the original LCP. The Ruger LCP has a long, heavy trigger pull, but the LCP II does not. Just like the crazies that are carrying guns illegally and using them criminally. By comparison, the UXP still worked fine in 9mm, but he was able to find dozens of 9mm hollow point rounds that expanded consistently and only cost a fraction of the price. Stay away from any of the cheap aluminum pocket guns. I have a Ruger .380. The only problem with it is those old school guns weigh a lot. That said, I will continue to practice my tap-rack-bang exerciseseven with a Glock. Steel case hollow points seem to be the most disagreeable. Great Article Joshua. Heavy bullets have more penetration, I would stick to 115gr in 9mm. Read all about it in our Complete Review of the Bersa Firestorm .380! The second thought is all-inclusive and says carry whatever you can handle comfortably enough to prevent someone else from taking your life. (As a 31-year Army combat vet I appreciate decent sights; yes, even on a pistol that is generally considered a "short range" solution.) Thanks for the great article. All thats important is that youve got quality ammo that has been tested in your firearm. Ruger markets the trigger as having a six pound pull. I also have a PPK in .380 that I carry when I want something smaller. Here are the SCCY advantages: In order for you to effectively stop a threat, you need decent hollow point ammunition (if your area allows you to use it). Its internal mechanism has nothing like the Walther, not at all, other than its external appearance and that the spout is fixed. Glock 42 is the best pocket rocket I've shot yet.. 5: CZ Model 83 380 Auto You'll have to find this one used, because it was discontinued in 2012. I routinely carried my duty weapon (early years .357 S & W mod 19) and back up .38 S & W Chief Special with +p ammo. No Beretta 84????? They run like sewing machines. A design that has been manufactured for 91 years! Sights are cast bumps on the slide but are accurate. Mine is the Tribal edition. Can't go wrong with this one. I would say no - unless you really needed the ultra-compactness and reduced recoil. Particularly the compact model is a really nice-shooting pistol that is light enough and small enough for concealed carry. Other things being equal, a 9mm or .380 is easier to shoot than a .40 or .45. Just wanted to say, I own 4 different caliber Taurus pistols and I am very satisfied with my 357 mag, 1911 Commander 45 acp, and 38 special. Teaching CCW to point and shoot in this situation rather than retreat is like advising suicide. You might need to refresh or clear your cache then. Greg. One is a KelTec P3AT, very small pocket gun, and I have a CZ83 in .380acp which is the finest .380 I have ever fired. Nothing beats the 9mm caliber when it comes to self-defense. That being said, the LCP II can also be carried IWB or in an ankle holster just as easily as it could be carried in a pocket. Easily the best .380 weapon out there in terms of cost, reliability, features & looks. While there are other, more powerful rounds out there, this is likely the smallest one youd ever want to trust your life to. I have one. I'm very petite so I didn't want firearm with a lot of kick because it could cause me to lose balance and accuracy. I wouldnt trust the preservation of my life to anything less than a CQB pistol caliber of either 9 x 19mm or 45 ACP; and I use the term caliber very loosely OK. has put a many people under in the world and was the sidearm of many law enforcement agencies in the U.S. for several decades. you hope never to have, the 42 will be there for you. S&W Bodyguard "BETTER". Rent and shoot them all. The trigger on it is smooth with a clean break, and the sights are also really good. The lcp 2 resolved the trigger issue of the lcp 1. Ruger LCP II 3. It is also fully automatic and is suprisingly loud. Winchester 209 primers in stock The trigger pull was beyond bad. The Kahr is an excellent 380 too. I practice with it often and agree that it is picky on ammo and that the cheap FMJ ammo cycles the best. So for folks just getting into the 380s. The RM-380 is the easiest to rack of those I own and the Kahr CW-380 the hardest. The range officer called for a cold range and inspected her Glock in disbelief. A little pricey, but very accurate, no malfunctions, has tritium night sights, and a real pleasure to shoot. This is because it is slightly heavier and I find I can shoot small, but heavier guns more accurately than light small guns! I'm sure your testing will help out some of the other readers. These were offered decades ago for the Thompson-Center Contender. .380 pocket pistols have a well-deserved reputation for having some of the worst trigger pulls of any semi-automatic pistols on the market. In terms of kinetic energy, the .380 ACP always lags down near the 200 foot-pound line, and struggles to add another 10 or 20 foot-pounds of KE due to limited case capacity. A .380 bullet in the size of a Glock 19, lol. I don't know why it keeps appearing in these 380 pocket lists, must be advertising? I show up to a call and see someone with a weapon they are getting neutralized immediately no questions asked dont need no tweaking crackheads running amuck with a gun especially in Merica. I've owned a Bodyguard (without the laser) for years now and I've gotta say, I love that little guy. The downside is it's only five rounds and bites a lot harder, especially in +P. The .380 ACP semi-automatic pistol is one of the most popular categories of concealed carry weapons in the United States and has been for years. My thoughts exactly when I read the authors comparisons between the the 380 and the 38 special. I carry it a lot because of how I dress. All the while being super compact and lightweight (10.6 oz unloaded). Check out Editors Picks. So if you like Critical Defense ammo (with the red polymer plug), get the LCP, it works GREAT and EVERY time. Rented an LCP II this weekend. The barrel length is just 2.75 inches and its capacity is also six in the magazine, one in the chamber. While the shotshells were fine for small game, I cannot image them being the least suited for self-defense. As a side note, during the interim and before I found ammo that would feed consistently I purchased a Ruger LCRx in .38spl. Very reliable, I have only had one brand of ammo that gave me feeding issues, and that was some cheap wal mart steel case surplus ammo, that would still fire but I had to reduce the amount loaded in the magazine for proper feeding. And I have the Sig Sauer p238 (IMO) the KING of the small 380's. It is extremely well built, easily concealed and extremely accurate. The quality and reliability is absolutely worth the extra weight and money. That can be both GOOD and BAD, but Beware of that trigger. Granted, .380 pocket autos are not guns that you take to the range for fun. Looking into the warranty impressed me, as did many of the online reviews. I re-size my 380 ACP rounds so there fit more into the chamber. Shop 380 Pistols | Palmetto State Armory It is a little heavier but the recoil is super manageable. I have a Beretta 9 mm Storm carbine, and it's quality really impresses me. All in all, I wouldn't trade it for anything of its type! Amazing look and design for a small gun. I also just purchased the Rock Island Baby Rock, another great 380. Fmj, cci, winchester, and remington, sent back to Ruger, replaced slide, back to range, same issues, took to local gunsmith for evaluation, awaiting results, Ruger missed the mark on this one, not acceptable performance, from a name like Ruger, not acceptable for personal defense, do not recommend for purchase, own a P-89, will feed anything, own an American .243, extremely accurate, again, Ruger missed the mark with the LCP. Beretta Pico: Worst .380 In the World?! Hi Charles, are the pictures not showing up on your end? Shoots fine and no issues. With the right holster, it's a safe and comfortable pocket pistol. the 22 LR is routinely maligned. Quite accurate, too. Get proficient on YOUR time. It is also the best shooter out of the very small .380s. PS?..and the worst pistol I ever had in my hand was the 380 Bodyguard. "When I put two in your chest an one in your forehead, you'll never know the difference.". The majority of reviews of the two models say the II is preferable because of its better trigger and better sights, and this fits my experience. Bersa Thunder fan here. Remington 380. Im in the market for my first CCW and have the LCPII on my radar. I just shot a sig 238 at the range rented man that was a nice shooting gun and right on target every time. It will digest about anything I throw in it, cheap ball ammo to top notch hollow points, its not finicky and the accuracy for me was great. The new LCP II has a light very crisp awesome trigger for a small .380. Could you convince them to make an LCP II in .32 acp? It looks at over 1700 firearm incidents involving police, military or private citizen armed encounters and looks at the weapons used, incapacitation and lethal effectiveness. All are used for pocket carry, as often my clothing choice here in FL makes it impractical to carry one of my 9's as I prefer, which is OWB under a loose-fitting shirt. The size is perfect. I bought Pierce grips for the Glock 42 mags which allow a 7th bullet into the mag. Today I have a Glock 43. I use old Supervel. It wouldnt cycle and FTE. (both very lightweight and extremely easy to conceal). Concealable Semi-Automatic Handguns: The Top 15 - The Shooter's Log Pass on the II and get the original. My everyday carry is my Sig P238 as I can carry it all day on ankle or IWB without discomfort. I have a Glock 42, which I love, and a Bersa Thunder which is always in my truck. (Available in 9mm, .380 ACP or .45 ACP. Bought the SW body guard, it is great, easy to conceal. With a pistol carrier/user like me a 45 ACP caliber handgun will always be king! Boy, did I sure miss out on that one. That's not funny either. Your comment is interesting. I just recently purchased the SW M&P .380 EZ which is also sweet. I agree. It also just happens to be the best looking gun on this shortlist. I sent back my SR556VT that I bought new. It goes on for miles and catches me off guard every time I go for more than a short time without firing it. Even though discontinued, the Taurus TCP 738 is the best of the best. The Absolute Worst Guns For Concealed Carry | CrossBreed Blog Also picked up the larger 938 - and carry either one depending on how I am dressed I prefer the long trigger pull on the original. Is some heavier, SP round good for carry, if I wan't to minimize danger to others, besides the intended target? It also feels good and is stupid accurate. To the point of I wish these two models didnt even exist. Others find this to be true as well. Jams Precision One. Self defense means close shooting. The gun now sits high on the shelf in my basement bicycle/workshop. Pocket carry cocked and locked. I have the sig p238,Springfield armory 911,glock 42 and ruger lcp, I like my short trigger pulls but my lcp does have a decent enough trigger and recoils not bad! There are some things that can help you greatly when it comes time to stop an attacker. Many people place a little too much emphasis on caliber and many are not proficient with their "Big Guns". The Kimber also has many "factory custom" options such as a lowered ejection port and a flat wound recoil spring to aid in the pistol's reliability factor. Great read, I carry the bodygaurd. As well as shooting mechanics. A good example is this SW22 Victory that fires the tiny .22LR round. .380 pocket pistols are incredibly easy to conceal, and this is what is largely attributed to their long time popularity in the United States. I picked up a Kimber Micro 380. It's one of my two main CCW guns now. I like mine too but my wife has a lcp2. Reliability is also excellent. 2) .410 for defensive, I strongly disagree with the assumptions made. Bottom line for me on this pistol, Ill never get rid of it, but I would replace it as a daily Carry. The 'P' series has a Lothar Walther match barrel - the thing is ridiculously accurate! Thank goodness for conceal carry licenses! Bad move! Also a quick not for those that carry a .380 I would look at the new XP Extreme Penetrator and XD Extreme Defender ammo by Lehigh Defense. I bought the glock 42 and have used a lot of different ammo(hollow point and fmj) and it has never failed very nice gun, My bodyguard was $225 shipped. Since I only have 3 magazines for it, it really doesn't bother me. I have had zero problems feeding anything. Jimenez, Lorcin, Raven, Jennings, and a few I'm most certainly missing are all part of this certain category of firearms best described as junk. Know your target and what's behind it as you are responsible for that round that goes through the target and lands in something/someone else. I could shave in it if I was inclined to do such a silly thing!!! I have extended mags for both but the LCP 2 is still a lot snappier then the sig making it harder to get back on target. So embarrassing she emptied the box of low cost ammo and then shot the ammo that my gun rejected. The size and design of the gun must also be taken into account. I got the ruger lcp. Now mind you I am only comparing 380s. Pocket carry brings up a very specific need and a very specific gun, in my opinion. The grip shape is comfortable and recoil is no worse than any other .380 pocket pistol. My first experience with what was certainly a 30 lb. The trigger is amazing. In actuality the Seecamp 380 is smaller. And just like my performance center 9mm shield it will run anything without fail. I got rid of a bodyguard. It does have small sights and is a mini-beast to shoot. Ive trained it out but I was pulling it left every shot because of that long hard pull. Sig Sauer P365 380 Optics Ready 2. The Sig has a more "boxy" feeling to the slide, whereas the Kimber's slide is more "melted" along the edges, making for a more comfortable pistol for all day carry. , If I were to replace my Bodyguard the Ruger LCP would be my choice. You must be joking. The short lived Sig P250 in .380 is my favorite. Nobody ever looks twice. A recent shooting in my county was a one shot stop with a .380 to the chest at close range. Another even more serious mistake is that you, mentioning the benefits of the good Bersa pistol, about the Walther PPK, you textually say: "It improves it a bit with some modern features, such as an open sliding cover and a decocker / security." Plus search YouTube for "Texas Rancher Wild Hog .380" and watch his video. "While the LCP was a popular pistol, the LCP II is a refined and much improved version." For me, the Glock works the best. I guess everyone is into the crappy plastic guns. Well said Chris. Don't make me reach for what you might think is my wallet. With the stupid Defund the Police there are less Police and increased response times! But I learned gunning on a Detonics Mk Zero (2.5" barrel, chopped M1911 4.5" x 6.5"), so have never considered running a [well-designed] small gun to be particularly difficult. Loved it . On their website they recommend the +P version for the Glock 42. Not fun! Sports 12, it comes with two 6-round mags and one 7-round mag with extension so you can get all your fingers on the grip (I can, anyway). Just my 2 cents I don't need to make a case for it, it speaks for itself as most will know. With a puny caliber like the 380 Auto (9mm kurz), shot group placement is everything Everything! The final answer: Sig P238 with Precision One Hollow Point or Underwood Load Lehigh Defense Extreme Penetrator or Extreme Defender. What good is stopping power if you aren't comfortable with carrying at all times or can't put bullets on target. And I have had Issues with the kahr after about 10 rounds , Not with the Sig so you know what is in my belt always . Both serve me well. I have a Bersa 383 DA I have carried for over 30 years. Was this a consideration? I may earn a small part of the sale from links to any products or services on this site. Taurus really dumped in their lunch bucket when they discontinued the TCP738 and replaced it with the Spectrum which is, Ive read, as you describe. I agree the Bersa Thunder series is great ! In the rotation is the LCP 2 and the G42. It was retired to range baby status because my aging eyes had trouble with the sights in Low Light Drills. "He must work for Taurus or at least a gun shop", you say.nope to both. We have a Ruger LCP II and we use Hornady Critical Defense 90 gr FTX ammo with it. Runs laquered steel to brass with a single hiccup, 900 rounds total. Save up your money guys and get the Seecamp if you want the best .380 to carry. Bullet Type : Shotshell Primers Type your new password and hit button below to confirm it.
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