You could have 50. Through DNA they approximate area in the United States or North America where I was born. On a dirt road. Thanks for your call. After 20 minutes or so, we turned and stumbled our way back to the parking lot. Im gonna get hammered for it, he sighed. Pinterest. The tavern was quiet except for some hard-rock music playing on the radio, the murmur of a handful of men at the bar, and us. It traveled all the way from from you know Minnesota to New York without being so seen Patrick take. New England Mountain Lion Sighting Bulletin Board, Mountain lion/wolf sightings in Central Ma, Re(1): Mountain lion/wolf sightings in Central Ma, Re(2): Mountain lion/wolf sightings in Central Ma, Ellisville State Park cougar killed crossing 3A in S. Plymouth, MA, Re(1): Ellisville State Park cougar killed crossing 3A in S. Plymouth, MA, Re(2): Ellisville State Park cougar killed crossing 3A in S. Plymouth, MA, Sighting just over CT border into Vista, NY, Re(1): Sighting just over CT border into Vista, NY, VideoWild cat sighting, North Scituate, RI, Re(1): VideoWild cat sighting, North Scituate, RI, Re(2): VideoWild cat sighting, North Scituate, RI, Re(3): VideoWild cat sighting, North Scituate, RI, Re(4): VideoWild cat sighting, North Scituate, RI, Re(1): Mountain lion/bobcat?/North Andover. You saw what you saw. But he said, the odds of seeing one are "infinitesimally small." So why do people see mountain lions? Caller: Oh hi. Peter Biello: We at this e-mailed comment from Michael. When they were landing or taking off and it seems like it's been there for like. For mountain lions in Connecticut, a lack of evidence is very good evidence. Betty had driven up from his home in Rhode Island. So I certainly can't dispute anything that they said there's no evidence for me to go by to verify or say what my thoughts are on the situation. This page is located more than 3 levels deep within a topic. [An overabundance of deer] means our forests are getting older and older and not being replaced. He also points to the influx of invasive plant species in New England as evidence of an out-of-control deer population. But that was OK. Bo Ottmann. Rick van de Poll: Well the mountain lion of course has been sort of an enigma in the wildlife suite for years and years. The second story window through about 30 feet away from it. Somewhere the way they travel the things they do they're going to leave evidence. And Rick van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England. And Rick Van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England. There were caribou antlers mounted above the front doors, and the interior walls were covered in row upon row of books; a long table was piled high with still more books in seemingly random arrangements. I mean so what what is the practical change that it would bring to New Hampshire if any. Post a New Message | Search | New England Mountain Lion Sighting Bulletin Board . Peter Biello: Or send us an email exchange at an HP board. A couple of summers ago I found it in our yard and was happy to see it by cultivating it into a small patch. Mountain lion sightings in New Hampshire have increased along with the bobcat population, said Tate. Wed be seeing more carcasses of prey we would be seeing at least some carcasses of mountain lion prey. New Hampshire Public Radio | Peter Biello: We got an e-mail question from Robert in Epsom who asks are sightings or encounters with these big cats less dangerous here where they're passing through than out west where those same mountain lines might be establishing territory Rick. So theres fresh mud. Sam Evans-Brown: One in fact Helena silver in that sort of tome that Rick van de Poll read from at the beginning is she. So I reached down to grab the camera and looked back and like a ghost it's gone. About two years ago I was at the Laconia airport on the way home from the airport and there's a big lake on one side called Lily Pond. Peter Biello: We mentioned that the eastern cougar and the Western cougar are they were separate eastern cougar believed to be extinct. Re(1): Webster update - Misunderstanding! Yet this young male traveled about 1,800 miles. Thank you. There's no logic for why they'd be listed as an endangered species. The feedback will only be used for improving the website. 2, 2015) French wrote a thorough piece, "Mountain Lions in Massachusetts: Distinguishing the Fiction from the Facts." What kind of animal is that. And I have to use that word allegedly because there is so much dispute about what people see and what they actually see. Well let's talk a little bit about that. Support NHPR by becoming a sustaining member today! (Dont use my name as others think Im crazy). You know you have to have a license and it's hard to get that license a license to own a mountain lion. So the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station has a database on mountain lion and they can identify. But my experience was that the majority of these accounts could not be taken lightly. and territorial animals are much more inclined to create a problem with passer bys than dispersing animals in fact I'd be totally shocked if a dispersal would encounter with a human purposefully unless they had already had some type of training to do so. John thanks. Or years or so. And so. Peter Biello: Well I want to ask Patrick about one of these stories a few years ago you had a story about someone who claimed to. And there are different schools of thought about that. Do they travel. 172. Indeed, in 2011, a male cougar was hit and killed by a car in Milford, Connecticut; through its DNA, wildlife biologists were able to trace the cat back to South Dakotas Black Hills, some 2,000 miles distant. There, too, is Crowells photograph, grainy and old: the hunter leaning against a tree stump, his head propped casually on his left hand, elbow to stump, shotgun cradled in the crook of his right arm. Caller: Well I think Patrick I recognized your name. I couldnt tell you how happy I would be if mountain lions were actually recolonizing the state of Connecticut, Hawley says, but its just not happening., Hawley spoke about bobcats, mountain lions and bears on The Colin McEnroe Show: Megafauna mania: our obsession with mountain lions and other large predators.. This is a machine-generated transcript, and may contain errors. In the second camp, there are those issuing the denials, pointing to the lack of photographic evidence, or the absence of tracks, or the simple truth that many people dont seem to know the difference between a cougar and a bobcat and a lynx and even, in some cases, a golden retriever. So hard to know hard to refute if there's no interest in making up a story which many people of course do then I would respond the same way as Pat did. Thanks for calling. When I accepted the assignment to write about my quest to uncover the truth regarding the existence of cougars in New England, I had little idea what I was agreeing to. So you know until I found those two scats I didn't think that mountain lions were here in the east. First off if the standard for an agency to go forward with the public and put out a press release that them outlines here their believers are going to say I told you they'd been here the whole time. Attracting the black swallowtail butterfly to your yard is as easy as planting parsley and carrots in your garden. Thanks for a great thanks. But no. How to Report a Possible Mountain Lion Sighting. We hadnt seen a cougar, nor any evidence to suggest a cougar had traveled these woods recently. Mountain lions also have tails that can grow up to 3 feet. The tails gotta be there. And I saw you cat about four feet long from nose to tail come across from the water across the road and just leap over a six foot perimeter fence in a single bound. Tracking experts Paul Rezendes, Charles Worsham, George Leoniak, and Dr. Mark Elbroch examined the photos. Patrick Tate: Well I've never seen an Easter cougar so I can't say when I've handled these 10 cougars and whatnot. So I hate the idea that there's some sort of upward you know downward pressure from the bosses saying Don't you know don't tell about the mountain lions because it'll scare away the tourists. Peter Biello: There have been several alleged sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. And were one of the most densely populated states as far as humans. You need to understand that every biologist that works for the state has a duty to deny mountain lions. No I saw a camel. Rick Davidson is the author of the exciting thriller "Catamount. Pat humans people leave deer carcasses up in trees. But right now youre dealing with top-notch guys. All other reports of mountain lions in Massachusetts have turned out to be other animals. So I've been convinced the whole time that I saw a big cougar plume or whatever you want to call it standing there in the road in Greenfield. And they asked me about the tail which I just did not remember that tail out of that whole experience. Can we go to the site. Mountain lions became scarce in the East after a bounty system wiped out most predatory animals. Yeah I did. People clearly arent lying when they say they saw a cougar; [the sighting] has a profound effect on them., Still, Spatz acknowledged that the word hope is very different from the word believe. But I was riding a mountain bike not far from my house. And so I just wanted to share my share my experience with you guys and it was pretty awesome to see if you get to see one albeit it was in the brush. You know interactions are pretty unusual. And those are not the same things. They set the stage for the exotics to move in, and this has a huge impact on our ecology, he said. Peter Biello: Well yeah. Let us know your story and share your photos! Sam Evans-Brown: So Tim so this cat's been been referenced a couple of times I think we should talk about it specifically lay the whole story out for folks who haven't heard the story because it's actually I think really indicative of a lot of stuff for talking about. Well let me ask maybe Pat and Rick about this. We even had a sighting someone here at DEEP, in my office, was convinced they saw a mountain lion. It is a gravel road and when the plows clear the road in the winter (or grade it in summer) they spread the invasive all along the edge. We we hear that there is allegedly a government conspiracy to deny the existence of mountain lions here in New Hampshire so I guess a local government conspiracy. Rick van de Poll: Well I didn't. Now the bears, they dont even care if people are home, theyll go right in the house. Evidence considered could include "the body of a dead mountain lion or a live wild-captured animal; photos or video, in which a mountain lion can be identified and MassWildlife can confirm the location; DNA evidence from hair, scat, etc. Hear the full interview: Megafauna mania: our obsession with mountain lions and other large predators. An official website of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, This page, Are there mountain lions in Massachusetts?, is. How far were you from this cat. Peter Biello: Sam I wanted to ask you a little bit about that first and then turn to Patrick Tate efficient game. Yeah 13 to 15 years ago 13 to 15 years ago. We're not in the woods. The Spatz and Sue Ottmann referred to are Christopher Spatz and Sue Morse, two of the better-known and arguably most experienced cougar skeptics in the Northeast. Pat do they typically just move around a lot. Patrick Tate: So Cougar Mountain Lion katama. These tracks may have been made by the mountain lion documented in Greenwich, Connecticut on June 5, 2011, and killed by a vehicle six days later. She served as the Senior Producer for 'The Colin McEnroe Show' for several years before stepping down in 2021 and returning to her previous career as a registered nurse. Really appreciate it. The tail leave is a giveaway but not everybody gets to see the tail. And a lot of people around the county airport have seen a lot of pilots coming in said they saw huge. John you're on the air. They're very loyal to what the handler which makes them very dangerous to everyone else. I mean there was this one lady I remember and tough tomorrow. Hawley: I feel strongly that we need a harvest here in Connecticut. Many, many times, in many different ways along its travel up through Minnesota, Michigan and to Canada, down through New York, through hair samples, blood samples, trail camera photos. I also had the vague notion that when it comes to cougars, people tend to sort themselves into one of three camps. There have been several sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. Mountain Lion - By Steven Dupuis October 3, 2014 at 02:26:51 PM. And thats a surprisingly complex question, because it hinges on numerous factors: policy and politics, culture and conditioning, habitat and, frankly, hubris. If the observer claims to have seen a Mountain Lion more than once, it is nearly certain they have not. You might think that it would be easy to tell the two cat species apart. People have asked me about the genetics of eastern mountain lion. So so it is possible in Maine to still to to to have one but you have to be sort of professional handler as it were. He set down his cigarette and looked me in the eye. So for our scientists to do the lumping and whatnot. Course like Sue said you have to see it and it's not always that visible. It was his great coolness and daring (either that, or fear) that enabled Crowell to shoot the animal at a distance of one rod only (roughly 16 feet), first hitting it in the leg with his shotgun, then dispatching it with a bullet to the head from a borrowed rifle. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at [email protected]. I have seen them fly and do so especially into trees when in danger, either real or imagined. On a mountain lion that died on a Connecticut highway. Fish and Wildlife Service unofficially declared the Eastern cougar extinct. Some of these photos have taken on urban legend status. We're gonna cue you up and bring into the program listeners in just a moment but I want to ask about the role that Mountain Lions play in the ecosystem we've been talking a lot about mountain lions traveling and being sort of hard to track as they move. To Betty and Ottmann, the dominant narrative of the occasional itinerant cougar from the West is not particularly relevant to the facts on the ground. Its a cool story with how far that animal walked. So try to take photographs if you see something like this. Had great trees behind it beautiful ferns on the ground so it brought me down on the site and the ferns on the ground matched. And we want to know your stories if you have them 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 or email exchange at an HP bar dot org we'll talk about conspiracy theories when we come back. Of course. This isnt to say she believes none of these animals has stepped foot on New England soil over the past century. The reasons for this conspiracy vary depending upon whom you talk to, but they coalesce around the idea that wildlife agencies would be inconvenienced by the cougars presence, as theyd be forced to respond in ways that would tax their resources. Does not test random Scouts. Someone's got to see one they're very secretive. Kyle I think about Rick Tate wants to jump in here. Anytime at any HP broad dot org or subscribe to our podcast search Apple podcasts Google Play or stitcher for an HP bar exchange. By mid-19th century, forests made up only about 30 percent of New England (its notable that today that number stands at approximately 80 percent, nearer to what it was when cougars thrived here). I believe I saw one that's fine and I'm not looking for an immediate story. Betty was quiet, and I wondered if even he, a man who does not doubt the presence of these cats in our midst and who himself claims multiple sightings, thought Ottmann was exaggerating. Sam Evans-Brown: Well and I think and the last takeaway here is everyone I think probably agrees that any possible sightings that have been seen. Morse is a Vermont-based naturalist and the founder of Keeping Track, a nonprofit that trains people in the scientific protocols needed to detect, interpret, record, and monitor wildlife tracks and signs. Hawley, a wildlife biologist with the state Department of Energy and Environmental Protection, says data dont support a breeding population of mountain lions in Connecticut. I can't tell you what you saw but it sounds like a mountain lion. We hadnt seen a cougar, nor any evidence to suggest a cougar had traveled these woods recently. . The same with garlic mustard. They were able to do all that by genetics. There were pine cones on window sills, a well-used hatchet and a variety of animal figurines on display, and, near the television, a stack of videos including Life of a Predator and The African Lion. Having retired from a career at General Dynamics, he devotes many of his waking hours to cougar research, a passion hes cultivated for nearly twodecades. However the scarring on the trees did not and the angles were off. Patrick Tate: I've from all the situations I've read and learned about wildlife. And I was probably about a half a mile from downtown all village on the right. Rick van de Poll: 80 90. The most recent post was Dec. 10 a woman said she was fairly certain she had spotted a mountain lion walking in the grass along the Massachusetts Turnpike between Otis and Westfield around 2:30 a.m. but won big 2night. was declared extinct in 2011. Still, sightings are common. So the whole media hype about how scary mountain lions are should should go away immediately and that would be that I think the major thrust of educating folks about these casualties vs.. Sam Evans-Brown: Sam go ahead. Re (1): Alleged Athol MA picture - By Cici September 9, 2016 at 12:41:30 PM. Many people do not realize how large a grown Bobcat is. Mike Guyton pressure was almost Greyhound like very muscular large back legs on it and the coloration on it was almost an orange brownish orange color and so I stop and I look at this thing in the field and as the animal looks at me the face was very chiseled definitely not a bobcat. Ottmann nodded. Patrick Tate: Yes. I wonder if it grows around here at all? So nowadays we think of this in the Northeast as crazy stuff that people have a mountain lion as a pet. There have been several sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. All of that remains unanswered but it is an extremely interesting question. Peter Biello: Listeners give us a call if you have a question or a story of a sighting 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Groton Mass Rail trail sighting - By Erica September 25, 2014 at 02:17:51 AM. Patrick Tate: So I just got to throw a little interesting side note in this. He told me that on one of his many scouting trips for Black Bear he found a deer carcass up in a tree. None of the rumors are true. They're the generalists that made it through both the arrival of the Clovis people with their with their spears and then the Europeans with their guns. In 2011, the U.S. Hawley: That animal was documented. Based on this blurry photo and pawprints, DEEP confirmed it was likely a mountain lion. Sam Evans-Brown: Pretty well I was going to say it is nice to hear about how to identify the facial markings but probably I'd being a to identify the tracks is probably the more useful useful tool that one can have in their tool box. Hed encouraged me to keep my eyes open for deer carcasses cached in the trees (according to Ottmann, cougars are fantastic climbers and are known to stash their kills high in trees), but I saw only leaf-bare branches. Well within there. Ottmann grew up and still lives just minutes from the tavern; his familiarity with the establishment was obvious (after we met in the parking lot, he led me into the building through the kitchen, greeting each of the staff by name). I'm Peter Biello in for Laura NOI. On one side, there are those (as represented here by Sue Morse, Kim Royar, and Christopher Spatz, along with a number of others I spoke with) who contend that the lack of verifiable evidence is proof that the animals are not here. Less than a year later I found a scat on the swamp range and I was working at the time with a fellow at the Michigan wildlife habitat Federation. There were pine cones on window sills, a well-used hatchet and a variety of animal figurines on display, and, near the television, a stack of videos including. He can be reached by phone at 860-275-7297 or by email: [email protected]. Really appreciate it. I'll send it to you. Patrick Tate: My line being a large predator a cat watch ambush his prey animal that hasn't been. But other hard evidence of the big cats presence is elusive. He knew it was only a matter of time. The tail, I said. Seal pup cuteness best observed from a distance, 70% ineligible in start of NH Medicaid unwinding. Cougar truthers are certain that the big cat is living and breeding again in New England. And so when they come to him with a sighting, hes prepared to believe. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HD PR fine Peter Biello and today we're talking with folks who can tell us about the mysterious elusive mountain line and whether or not it is actually here in New Hampshire. OK. Rick van de Poll: Rick and I would add that if a mountain lion male takes up residence and successfully finds a female as pets there's gonna be a lot more evidence there will be like deer carcasses up in trees and territorial marking and claw marks and tracks and it you know dispersal is gonna be very tough to see or observed but residential parrots a totally different story. So take care of this problem. I would just suggest that in my experience as a reporter covering this covering this issue for a few years at least at what point do we reach a certain critical mass for lack of a better term of accounts where I'm not to suggest that you guys aren't taking this possibility seriously. But on the other side of that coin there is this sense that there have been so many sightings locally and you guys Patrick you might recall the name the Wyndham McCracken she kind of turned herself into a local authority off authorities the right word but she was very dedicated to this. Fear is actually one of the most powerful ecological forces we know, and its a really important management tool., According to Laundre, the problems caused by a relatively fear-free ecosystem are not always obvious, in part because they can take decades to fully manifest. And trying to figure out the little pieces to identify him so I bring up the names the differences but the appearances can be confusing for some. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at [email protected]. You're on the air. 3 min read. Thom Smith answers readers' questions about mourning dove sounds, when bird feeders can be put out again and where bats go during the colder months. ghost. Here it is. Caller: Yeah. I tracked cats and all the western states. And they were using all the habitat. Rick van de Poll: Yes. Now that to me seemed to indicate that they had done the secondary workup that in my opinion proved the existence of probably a disperse or possibly from South Dakota like the one in 2011. Today she talked with us a little bit before the show about why the mountain line is so compelling and why we want it to be part of our world. Japanese knotweed and phragmites are the bane of my existence on our road. A harvest is kind of twofold. There's just one subspecies of North American mountain lion. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. And the cougar embodies that. Morse, 70, comports herself in a friendly and no-nonsense manner. Oh you saw him online. If you go on YouTube and search mount lion Pat you can see people patent their hundred pound kiddie like its regular mascot cat. When you look at a state like Connecticut, with all the people we have here, all the trail cameras we have in the woods, all the cars we have driving you can imagine if we had an established population here in Connecticut, we would know about it pretty quickly. Also, Bobcats are spreading into areas in which they have not been seen before. And maybe it's a no holds barred nostalgia for a better world a wild or Fuller world not a world that's constrained by our boundaries and our taxes and our highways. All the latest news and updates of New England Mountain Lion Sighting Bulletin Board's Message Board. Bats have no interest in your hair! Caller: I do. N.H.'s Fish and Game department says there's no proof. Wildlife experts say no. So what those ranges. Colorado and California have the highest estimated populations of mountain lions in the United States. I wasn't employed as biologists at the time of a situation that's been reported but so I started digging into this report and spoke with another wildlife biologist with the agency and said Do you know anything about this. There's these animals aren't coming with a map saying oh I want to go here. They get a lot of media attention but compared to the the amount of times that a mountain lion could attack a person but doesn't because they don't typically view us as prey. Support for an age PR comes from you our listeners. Despite this fact, Massachusetts residents continue to report mountain lion sightings. And that's this morning at 10:00 here on NH PR. For me as a person who's handled many bobcats and looked at many pictures Bobcat the White chin Bobcat right off is what comes out to me and then the black the the roughs on our Bobcats we'll have sometimes have black fringes on them. And so so with their limited staff and limited budget that is that is more and more limited every year because you know fewer people are buying hunting and fishing licenses. Can you look into this picture. We'll also hear your stories if you have them again. There are two records of mountain lions in Massachusetts thatmeet the evidence requirements. Caller: Hey guys how you doing. Is there a way we can learn more about these dispersing mountain lions that may travel through the Granite State and that I would ask you certainly part about whether or not a he's spending too much time chasing down these kind of false leads or B would rather be doing something else that is more informative to whether or not we actually have or can prove that we have dispersing mountain lions in the state. Peter Biello: And then it ran away okay. A lock icon ( Patrick Tate: While a juvenile not a juvenile I guess if you want nodes to the base of the tail for juvenile that wouldn't be small at all. He also collects sighting reports on his blog, simply dubbed, "New Hampshire Mountain Lion." The blog still gets sightings, most recently on Aug. 3. MassWildlife uses evidence-based criteria to confirm reports of mountain lions and does not investigate or confirm reports without evidence. The views expressed in this program are those of the individuals and not those of an HP are its board of trustees or its underwriters. Patrick Tate: So it's very typical. Because I mean as we've heard in the past 10 minutes like there's there's some disagreement or at least some some vagueness about what an actual mountain lion should appear like in the wild assuming we can even get close enough. A: It is less common than many other invasives but is found here in the Berkshires. Incredible sighting and I called him the fish and game and they immediately sent me to a website to look at all the bobcat pictures. And listeners this has been a lively conversation we're sorry we didn't get to all the the e-mailed comments and the phone calls your stories are appreciated even if we didn't get a chance to hear them today. As I tried to get a picture of it so there was it was definitely we looked up all the pictures and it was definitely not a bobcat or anything else being it looked just like a mountain lion. Absolutely there are a lot of folks out there who for some reason need to create something that raises a stir and gets the attention of the media etc..
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