Ramblin' Pete But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. Trains along this route picked up tonnage of wheat, beans, and sugar beets. Bob P I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. April 30, 2009 August 7, 2018 As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. Bob P Donut Shoppe Patron As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. And complaining about how fat he was? That would make him a star in today's market. NYB Buff (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. I agree with Doughnut Shoppe patron. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. I remember Lolich pitching some good ball for the Mets with absolutely NO run support. Mickey liked his doughnuts. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. etc. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. Randy Tate Bobster1985 He had a 3/4 delivery that thrived on the weight shift. mets People see my potbelly and they say, 'His doughnuts must be good. snook feat fan April 6, 2012 So he went from being the long-time Tiger Ace (and best Tiger- the 1968 World Series was won by him- and also almost the 1972 Playoffs) to just a nobody for New York- can you blame him for this back-stabbing trade by Tiger management? They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. He goes up one notch for being a character! But there it is, next to the Lake Orion (Mich.) U.S. Post Office, a 45-minute ride from Tiger Stadium. Peter Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. eddiek May 8, 2003 Mike B Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. He had terrific stuff. July 31, 2002 Ken Akerman NYB Buff October 4, 2005 Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. 170 lbs.? Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. December 8, 2006 It's mildly surprising, then, to see Thomas laughing and talking and forking down the spicy vegetarian pasta on a sunny afternoon in L.A. A lot has changed for Thomas in the 20 years since he dazzled and mystified the NFL. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! End of Line Dianna Jeanneh Jones Robert Bob P Lolich was a fine pitcher. July 31, 2002 But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. Stu Baron Well, I never realized that Rusty Staub was such a favorite in New York, beside the old Tigers announcer George Kell always making a fuss over Rusty Staub's New York restaurant. October 4, 2005 My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. support. That was a terrible trade. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. Well, I never realized that Rusty Staub was such a favorite in New York, beside the old Tigers announcer George Kell always making a fuss over Rusty Staub's New York restaurant. Sterling Heights, MI 48314. He later resurfaced with the Padres. or Bruce Kison. 6'1", 170???? Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. John, we know the condition the team was in when Lolich got here. He had terrific stuff. Then they all got old and the team slid into rebuilding- different than the Mets? Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. Lolich was a fine pitcher. Lolich was giving one of his typical awful performances in a Mets uniform. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. April 24, 2003 Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. June 30, 2019 August 7, 2018 July 31, 2002 October 19, 2011 Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. June 30, 2019 Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. Really? As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. Well, I never realized that Rusty Staub was such a favorite in New York, beside the old Tigers announcer George Kell always making a fuss over Rusty Staub's New York restaurant. They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. - Now for the trade itself. Really? McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. In one of his best games as a Met, hefty lefty Lolich (no doubt the prototype for David Wells), tossed 8 innings, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks while striking out 4, the only run scoring on a fourth-inning groundout by a young Dave Parker.Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. NYB Buff July 15, 2016 In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. Raymond Malcuit Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. November 19, 2002 The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. April 23, 2003 body would be a pretty slender person. For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. December 20, 2019 Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. He later came back to play for the Padres. That would make him a star in today's market. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. Raymond Malcuit April 23, 2003 Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. September 29, 2007 I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. =Chuck= But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk.You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. Al When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. And Rusty Staub? Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. The Polly Ann Trailway in Oakland County is 14.2 miles from Orion Twp. October 2, 2005 170 lbs.? HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. Fact is Lolich was always overweight. April 24, 2003 December 20, 2019 Baseball burnt him out. And by the time he left Detroit, he was fatter than Lolich. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. And yes, maybe Koosman had losing years in the late 70's but he had been a Met long enough with a winning record that the fans rooted for him. March 22, 2005 He had a 3/4 delivery that thrived on the weight shift. As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! 6'1", 170???? So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. August 7, 2018 I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. C'mon John, the Mets did the Tigers a huge favor by taking this washed-up pitcher off their hands and giving them a great hitter like Rusty. You can't trade Rusty Staub without instantly improving team speed". Bob P I remember Lolich pitching some good ball for the Mets with absolutely NO run support. Although I'd rather have a hitter like Rusty, you have to admit, Mickey Lolich's ERA was a very respectable 3.22. As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. May 8, 2003 I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. April 23, 2003 And complaining about how fat he was? August 11, 2015 But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. I remember when M. Donald Grant traded Staub for Lolich he explained it to disgusted NY sports fans by saying something like "the team needs more speed. I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. Stu Baron Man, those pitches were big ones. March 5, 2006 August 7, 2018 As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. All he represents for me was one of the many horrendous choices the Mets have made over the years, always going after washed up has-beens past their prime. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. support. I guess the idea that everyone loves a jolly fat guy is true. April 27, 2013 Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. And by the time he left Detroit, he was fatter than Lolich. Doug S. Rusty played another decade. Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. 15. Cut him some slack. Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. April 23, 2003 Max Power As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. feat fan Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. 3-time AL All-Star (1969, 1971 & 1972) 1968 World Series MVP AL Wins Leader (1971) AL Innings Pitched Leader (1971) AL Strikeouts Leader (1971) AL Complete Games Leader (1971) AL Shutouts Leader (1967) He had a 3/4 delivery that thrived on the weight shift. The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. All of you New Yorkers are forgetting how the Tigers fared in this deal of Staub/Lolich. No contest. HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. He had a 3/4 delivery that thrived on the weight shift. Rusty played another decade. Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. After one year in New York Lolich retired. As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. John Bruce The Mets acquiring him for Rusty Staub was another trade made by M. Donald Grant out of spite for Staub's salary request. Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. 170 lbs.? Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. bob saunders I would put Rusty for Lolich in second place. June 30, 2019 In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. Jay Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. The fact of the matter is New York is a what have you done for me lately kind of city, and when Lolich came to the Mets he pitched like a nobody. According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. body would be a pretty slender person. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. =Chuck= An interesting thing about Lolich that I remember from an old Mets program is that he's actually right handed. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. 6'1", 170???? But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. The point is he made a bad team worse. 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