Its beginning charter reads as follows: We whose names are hereunder written, being desirous to inhabit ourselves in active and passive obedience to all such orders or agencies as shall be made for the public good of the body in an orderly way, by the major consent of the present inhabitants, masters of families, incorporated together into the same, only in civil things.. A storm of persecution broke out because these Baptist preached what the Puritans called damnable errors. Most of the members of the church were fined or imprisoned or both, at one time or another. I hear a lot that the IFB has strict dress standards. My wife and I were very active in the church; we too felt like we were being used. I dont know what you are referring to by saying they dont use the O.T.? I dont know what a right church looks like. Desire your best & healing in Lord Jesus if not. teaching that all sex is dirty, etc..), I see no sense in throwing the baby out with the bath water. I appreciate your stand for the cause of Christ, and remember always to rely on the blessed Word of God to lead and guide you, there will be times perhaps, when someone you really look up to is promoting ideas that are not biblical and yet they try to use the bible to convince you of their veracity. 6. Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Dress codes are not the problems. By 1626, the churches had grown from one, to five churches and by 1644 there were forty congregations. As you have heard from others who have commented, leaving the cult mentally behind and learning to make decisions on your own about your faith and your life takes time. The cult mentality of the IFB makes it very difficult to break free from that emotional bond. What possible value is there in appealing to a supposed unbroken line of Baptist churches as a churchs authority. We can clearly see the Spirit of God in your gracious post. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.. http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/ This site is run by a Jack Hyles follower. , Oak Harbor, Washington 98277) Under the Roman Catholic influence these missionary centers diverged into monasticism. They reject the efforts of the many who spiritually interpret the Scriptures, placing hidden or specially revealed meanings to the words of the Bible. Lynne, why is tithing so important to you anyway? Like friends of my son who were in Mexico recently. Further, they reject so-called scriptures of modern day so called prophets. Lynne- Thanks for clearing that up. 4.) Baptist continued to grow in numbers through the period of the Great Awakening and up to the time of the Revolutionary War. Good job Greg!in reference to your reply to Rachel above. Those soldiers they so casually curse gave their life so that these wannabe BLM or ANTIFA buttinskies could spew their hate at those who defended their freedoms. Yes we only use KJV (I perosnally like it better myself because I like the Shakespeareanesque vernacular versus modern but thats a personal choice). Its so important to ask Gods help in forgiving themotherwise satan can get a foothold. 01 May 2023 21:51:29 After leaving we received a couple phone calls from friends we had made there wondering why we left which my husband explained to them. Its derived from two possible origins: 1. I still attend a tiny (20-30 on Sunday) Baptist Church, and yes it is IFB. I have gone to Dayspring in Wisconsin and Hillcrest in El Paso and both have apps if you want to check them out. That feels strange, uncomfortable and even unsafe, but as you learn to embrace your freedom from the IFBs cultish practices you will slowly begin to see the IFBs manipulation and guilt tactics for what they really are brainwashing. May God bless Bob. When you mix all of that in with my introverted personality, it creates this mixture of an individual that just wants to be left alone when I'm not with my girlfriend atm who's more loving than anyone could ever dream of at the IFB churches I've been to. That is just my pointyou I fear are dedicating a almost hate site for this denomination when its no reason tovs just warning sagnist all bad behavior. Everyone wanted attention from the pastor and never left the man alone to truly study Gods Word. I am the daughter of an IFB missionary/evangelist, sister of an IFB pastor, and granddaughter of an IFB pastor. These distinctives are the distinctives taught in Bible which constitute a true New Testament church. Just because all churches do something a certain way (whether its tithing, tithing a tenth, standing on their heads when they pray, or whatever) doesnt make it correct. Hope youll check it out. So, I guess we are not all as rigid as one would believe from some comments. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. Though we no longer keep the ritual and sacramental law, Gods moral laws and prophesies of things yet to come are not to be ignored. Some of these churches have gone so far to even deny the fundamental teachings of the Bible, such as the deity of Christ, the virgin birth and salvation by the Grace of God, through faith. If it isnt to much trouble please explain your assertion. /r/Christianity is a subreddit to discuss Christianity and aspects of Christian life. Im really not sure how we didnt die. Puritans and Baptists alike, to escape persecution, migrated to the New World. Anyway I hope that things get better for you soon, and one that that really helped me was browsing through the e-mails and messages on here, and seeing how many of us had the same kinds of issues. I recently left an IFB with my husband and son. You seems to be as blind as the Pharisees. This is known as the Argumentum ad populum fallacy. Ok, so Im pretty sure you are referring to the Church of Christ that was founded by good ol Thomas Campbell (1763-1854) He was a fine Scottish Presbyterian who left Ireland to come to western PA. in 1807. I grew up in a large family and one constant was attending church. Tithing preceded the OT Law. Some Sundays, we spent the whole day in church from 10am. That is what saved believers have always believed, because that is what the New Testament which is Gods Word to man says. Thats why Paul advocated free will offerings (see 2 Corinthians 9). If so, how old were you when you left the movement? v-43 Stop grumbling among yourselves, Jesus answered. Our final military deployment homecoming: finally together forever! God, I believe deliberately used isolated groups in many different places during time to preserve His church and did not choose to use a line or chain of churches to past His Word and authority on to the next generation. WebDid anybody else here grow up in the Independent Fundamental Baptist movement? 1 Peter 3:16, Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. Even some TV evangelists have referred to themselves as being fundamentalist. I saw Jesus there and the Holy Spirit! No, you arent crazy. Greater Portland Baptist Church is making a difference Jude 22 in Portland and around the world. A person can rightly take pride in truthfully bearing the name Baptist. If you dont already, try it some time. Martin Luther until his death held to this false sentiment and disputed with the Swiss reformer Ulrich Zwingli (1484-1531), over the matter. Thats a truly awesome thing! @Saved By Grace (See also Gal. @greg Smokers use breath mints. He too returned in June of 2009. If you have any more questions or comments (as long as they are not rude), please feel free to email me again. They all hold to a system of hierarchy in church government and do not accept the autonomy the local church. For instance, if I was regularly wearing a swim suit or Scooby Doo costume to any Church I would probably be asked to Change into something more appropriate. If someone wanted to Tithe down to a tenth of all they owned & sell or give value of itIm sure they could. We had not joined the church yet, and didnt go every time the doors were opened or participate in every event, etc. I hope you can forgive me for perpetuating those stumbling blocks. Later, the Dutch issued new orders and allowed religious liberty. My parents refuse to acknowledge that it was a cult still to this day. My brother attends an IFB church. 3:2) for Jews who were preparing for coming Messiah and Kingdom God had promised them. It did not produce a succession of other churches, but those who founded it went on to set up other Baptist churches in England. He states there were Baptists in England 1400 AD. I feel so free now and I no longer feel like God is angry with me. She even gave me a monetary gift when I had no money for food. In his writings he appears ignorant of the practices of the Roman Church and never refers to church councils, creeds, traditions or even to the existence of a pope. WebFirst Baptist Church Of Rose Hill is an independent Baptist church in Redmond, Washington. Sure the new testament is important but so is the old testament. IMO, this is is baptist deception at its absolute worst. Tithing was never supposed to be for the maintenance of the house of God. Men meeting the Biblical qualification of deacons (servants) (1 Tim. Williams graduated from Cambridge University in 1627, and was apparently ordained in the Church of England. There were however, many Baptists who loved the Word of God and held true to it and refused to abandon teaching the New Testament. There have always existed, from the time of Christ, New Testament churches which were not a part of the Roman Church. A church only has authority to set guidelines on dress as it is addressed in Scripture. A logical fallacy stands alone whether in or out of context. It is very difficult, at first, and a person really does question their salvation, what they want in life, direction, etc. Bob Just want to commend you on how clearly you are able to elucidate on a given topic, Im envious. We have special music and usually 2 preachers a night. We give out of thankfulness to God for what Christ has accomplished as we are led by the Spirit. I was raised in a Baptist Church and never questioned it. Im not sure what the Word of God sais about dress. Thou shalt obey the pastor at all times; Thou shalt obey all adults at The Trinity: God is one What and three Whos with each Who possessing all the attributes of Deity and personality. I immediatley thought that my God must be alot bigger than his. But rather than ordaining ourselves mini-Holy Spirits we need to be faithful in our teaching, we need to teach repentance, and we need to leave the conviction of sin, righteousness and judgement to Almighty God. Steve must have been on vacation or something. I was able to escape physically, but mentally and emotionally I had a much harder time. It certainly isnt about our adherance to a set of manmade rules. (Quote from Dr. J. M. Carrolls booklet The Trail of Blood) These historians, in an attempt to show an unbroken line of Baptists in history, have embraced groups which were clearly not doctrinal sound. Pointing out failures of pastors, church congregations and movements can be informative as long as we also point out that not all, or even most of the groups involved are entwined in grevious and blatant sin. Thank you for writing back. Do you think you can bring others to Christ in this manner? Personally, I try to for the most part give as I think God is pleased incl supporting Evangelism Ministrys like Compassion (that not only care for childrens physical need but also spirtual vs. the formerly known as Christian Childrens Fund now I believe under the name Child Aide, mainly becaus eCompassion confesses to be Christian & I believe to support church endeavors. It is difficult to trace Baptist churches down through history. I can certainly forgive you. God does not lead His children by rules. Click the link below to learn more about this incredible upcoming trip! You are correct, I was surprised. 2 Timothy 3:16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. We also have a man that shouts Amen as well. I dont see a thing wrong with it; He didnt make us to be wooden. You said that I pulled that phrase out of context but then you went on to prove that it was in context. Therefore if a church is teaching Tithe is mandatory or sin if not donethey are I believe in error. So wonderful to hear you are making progress in your spiritual journey. (I do love acapella singing, btw.). The way a Christian dresses should be governed by their love for Christ and other people, not by rules imposed by a religious authority to make one look righteous. Separation is not the problem. Those who put in the effort will be greatly rewarded while those who neglect it do harm to their own souls. If people would only study the Word of God for themselves and stop being pew sitters and believe everything the pastor says of gospel truth theyd be able to spot a false doctrine/teacher a mile away. Part 8:finding healing and freedom in secular music, Part 9:I will keep believing that God still has a plan, Part 12:Disconnect: when God just doesnt seem relevant, Part 13:Roses in the dumpster: seeing God in everyday life, Part 16:Checklists, control, and motherhood, Part 17:forget where you should be and give God your ugly, Part 18:When your church isnt meeting your needs, Part 19:on being in your place in church, Part 20:when your spiritual journey doesnt look like his, Part 22:There are no entry level positions with God, Part 23:Sitting on the premises sometimes, its okay not to serve, Part 25:You are God, You are God, Of all else Im letting go!, Part 28:My motivation: chosen, holy, and dearly loved, Part 29:what grace is not: the pendulum and sinning that grace may abound, Part 30:From legalism into grace: one mans story, Part 31: Grace in the wilderness: the blessings of legalism, SEQUEL SERIES (20 posts and counting): Grace: How a Recovering Legalist Moves Forward in Faith. First Works had previously been the site of protests by activists opposed to its anti-LGBTQ teachings, but police reported there was no evidence linking the protesters to the bombing. I found a load of stuff about people who claim certain Calvarly Chapels misueded them & did not know Bible & also on ehere in Maryland has a onliune tithe on website! -What about the Jerusalem Council in Acts (I believe I am using the right title here, but I have not check my accuracy)? Something else to note here, what were they tithing? Or, I hope that youve beaten your children today, 13Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Students are challenged to personalize biblical principles in an academic setting that stresses high standards in the areas of personal discipline and accountability, Christian servant-hood, and biblical separation, while focusing on proper perspective through a biblical world-view. mint, rue and all manner of herbs all agricultural products from the land. In fact, no church on earth can make that claim. @greg We have been blacklisted by the church, except for a few faithful friends. The name Fundamental Independent Baptist is of recent origin and came into being because many modern day Baptist churches compromising the Word of God and teaching and practicing false doctrines. Catholicsm is beyond a denomination & a religious institution with some Christian tenants. One of the cops finally suggested giving them all their American money and theyd be free to go with a warning. I knew the Tony Hutsons and John Hamblins were crazy, but I wasn't part of them. G.L. My sister and I truly believe we grew up in a cult. Fundamental Independent Baptists church will remain separate from these churches as well as other Baptists groups who participate with the unscriptural churches. He said from the pulpit, No one ever asked me if I was a Christian while out in public! Im thinking thats not a good thing. Anyway at least once a year we set up a tent and have an old-fashioned revival. We had only been going there a little over 2 years and really loved it until we started being shunned. Copyright 2022 | All Rights Reserved | Proudly Part of the RFP Network. Ive experienced this kind of power over and over again in the church. I think that point was already addressed. The Star-Telegram discovered at least 412 allegations of sexual misconduct in 187 independent fundamental Baptist churches and their affiliated institutions, spanning 40 states and Canada. They would probably be allowed in this Church though called Ivor Church: Now I am in full agreement with you that we should support our places of worship with our monetary gifts, but a mandatory tithe for new testament christians? I would like comment on each trait if you dont mind: Tonights meet in the 94-degree heat might kill me, but at least Ill be going out hydrated and with a pretty cooler. The Independent Baptist believes that to join with churches who teach and practice false doctrine is condone and even show approval of Biblical error and that all doctrinal error is sin. Like I alluded to earlier most folks dont study their bible, and many do so with preconceived ideas, please have a look at your churchs stance on these issues according to scripture and see if Thomas Campbell is right about these things. Some more deception I would like to expose are these IFB web sites. Later Presbyterians, Episcopalians and Methodist were added to the lists of Protestants denominations. Many Anabaptists churches were strong New Testament churches believing and following the Word of God. My husband and I made the decision to leave the IFB about a year ago. That coupled with your seeming lack of spiritual maturity will make for an interesting combination. It is well also to note that these five distinctives are traits also of the true New Testament church! I understand what you are saying about these kind of messages with strong emotional appeals. This church was not founded on a man, but on the Bible. Thats NOT in the Bible anywhere! There are plenty of church members that disagree with the preacher on many topics. Independent Fundamental Baptists (IFB) is a loosely-affiliated, cultish denomination of Christian fundamentalists. @greg So, obligating someone to feel like they mustis not I believe what God wants. God leads us as we depend upon the Holy Spirit and keep His Word. 1) strict adherence to one version of the bible The old testement tithes went to the Levite priests to support them (Numbers 18). I understand all that. We should stand out because we are different. It is my conviction that it is not possible to trace an unbroken line of Baptist churches from Christ until today. My sister left the church years ago and is living in sin (even by the standards of other denominations so please dont take it out of context), but I talk to her every day. As for the dress code, looking back, it was nothing less than stupidly childish! So many churches have lost wonderful ministry opportunties by turning away those hurting, divorced folks, its a shame, God help us all to be sensitive to those who are hurting all around us. The ones Ive attend are really good. All but seven were above the Mason-Dixon line. I dont understand the context of your comment. Pedophiles hide in dark corners. I admitted, in my comment, that I was somewhat caustic in my writing (I could definitely get better in that department) but I re-read what I wrote and didnt think it was horrible. When and Where Was the First Recorded Baptist Church in History, The Beginnings of the Baptists in America, https://www.wayoflife.org/free_ebooks/hyles_effect.php, http://www.wvec.com/news/local/INSIDE-A-NAKED-CHURCH-85062392.html, You Might Be an Independent Fundamental Baptist if, Broad Stroking and Sweeping Generalizations Fallacy, Harold Camping Fails to Predict the Rapture, The 10 Commandments of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, 92-Year-Old Woman Kicked Out of Church for not Tithing. (My family moved alot when I was a child, and Ive attended 7 different IFB churches in 4 different statesnot all of them are same, but my current one for the last 10 years is great), I had a long response here, but I received and error. The center of Baptist activity in the colonies was in the Philadelphia area, and Baptists held regular general meetings of the churches for devotional and evangelistic purposes there. Bottom line, tithing was commanded for Jews under Law. But when we begin to paint entire church groups with the broad brush of generalities then OUR motives become suspect. They point fingers from a pulpit and pews and declare that to be sick is to be sinful. They are the only group into modern times whose churches were founded on the Scriptures alone and not on the traditions or works of some man. I am thinking of leaving my IFB church. But if your wife and daughters are dressing immodestly to draw attention to their bodies, theyre not dressing in a Christ-honoring way 2) tell you what kind of music to listen to [6] Adam Fannin, the lead preacher at SBC's Jacksonville satellite campus, refused to acknowledge the authority of Jonathan Shelley, another Texas New IFB pastor who took over SBCFort Worth following Romero's resignation. Here are the 5 key issues that have hurt the Independent Baptist world in some cases, as well as greatly damaging the lives of some believers: A Failure To Adequately Preach The Bible. The damage that the IFB inflicted took many years to heal. You people are idiots, You cant have the new testament without the old, Christ believed in and followed the old testament, this is why it says he was betrayed on the passover, because he kept the passover and all the other commandments that are in the old testament. In 1645, he formed a Baptist church in London. I have seen corruption and manipulation like you wouldnt believe. One of the most unsettling things to experience is dealing with corruption in power. Not one Baptist church can show in its history a direct succession from the Anabaptists. They were in fact churches founded on the same New Testament principles that modern day Baptists traditionally founded their churches. Well last night the first speaker, spoke on Hell, he said not many preach on Hell anymore (yea, right!) Be courageous! Then, I am an independent Baptist. He was much displeased with the Puritan theocracy. Im looking forward to laughing at more of your comments. Alsoas in regargds to whom Jesus spoke to (they were Phairsees)I dont think that matters, the Phairsee just happened to be the ones constantlty questioning & troubling Himas well as were the Religious Leaders of that day whom example was probally looked at by others to follow (note Jesus: Do the things that they teach, Jesus said, But do not do the things that they do). In North Carolina the first Baptist church was started in the northeastern coastal region at Perquimans, in Chowan County in 1727. Nowhere in the Bible do I see that Christians are recognized by their clothing. I am a woman who grew up in an ifb church. Our lives reflect the light of Christ. For example, we had Dish installed in our home a few weeks ago. If they want to protest such an event, please feel free to move their candy butts a mile or more down the road. If other will share. Soul liberty is a belief that everyone is responsible to God individually. I constantly felt like I was sinning and would long for the safety of the IFB. It shows Gods promises to us and more importantly it shows us Gods fulfilled promises to the church. Many men have suffered and given their fortunes and their lives to hold the name in truth. Before the America won its independence and the Constitution became law, the Episcopal church, which was the American branch of the Church of England, was the only legal church in Virginia. It is characterized by professing to believe in separation but doing Not sure where to post this so lets try here. Secondly, they believe in a clergy/laity distinction by ordaining so-called Pastors. This is not found in scripture. Furthermore I believe it involved religion. Any professed church that does not recognize these is Apsotasy & not the Church. | Beautiful In His Time, perfection is not possible | Beautiful In His Time, finding healing and freedom in secular music | Beautiful In His Time, I will keep believing that God still has a plan | Beautiful In His Time, Modesty: a picture of grace | Beautiful In His Time, Disconnect: when God just doesnt seem relevant | Beautiful In His Time, Roses in the dumpster: seeing God in everyday life | Beautiful In His Time, Cheating on my church | Beautiful In His Time, Can you hear Jesus calling? Im referring to a mistake I made in my fairly long comment, which you may not have seen yet, once you do youll understand I was correcting a statement in my next to last paragraph. Blessings & againIm so sorry you were hurt like that you & your family. Well originally Abraham initiated giving a tenth of his to the priest in the Melchizdeak order which was a type of Christ I believe. We finally left and joined a non-demoninational that has really opened my eyes to authentic worship and what its supposed to be like. I watched a man die last week. I have never believed in obedience to a pastor just obedience to Gods Word Shall we simply eradicate all sermons about sin? If the staff at Costa Mesa accepts the person, he becomes an affiliated clergyman in a global network led by Chuck Smith..
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